1. Hi Chris,

In respect of your comment: "...positive effects Cinnulin had on blood sugar..."

Why the concern about bs level of a type 0 Diabetic?

Where is the evidence that any bs level of an UNdrugTREATED type 0 Diabetic is other than healthy?

Warm thanks, Nicholas Dynes Gracey, BSc(Hons) Medical Biochemistry, Birmingham University, UK c/o www.TheDiabetesBlog.com @ 23:49hrs THU.12.APR.2007.

Posted at 6:52PM on Apr 12th 2007 by Nicholas Dynes Gracey

2. Regarding Mr. Gracey's question about the problems with "type 0" diabetes (I'm guessing that means prediabetes, if I'm wrong, please ignore this reply): "Compared with age-matched normoglycemic control subjects, patients with IGT are at greater risk for death from all causes (1,2) and have a two- to fivefold increased incidence of new-onset cardiovascular ischemia, fatal and total myocardial infarction, and stroke, independent of progression to diabetes (2,3)."

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/52/12/2867

Posted at 7:34PM on Apr 12th 2007 by Matt Petersen

3. Mr Gracey: Where is the evidence that any bs level of an UNdrugTREATED type 0 Diabetic is other than healthy?

Each of my annual physicals for 20+ years produced fasting glucose results of 92-96 mg/dl, entirely 'normoglycemic' by medical standards for a 5'11" 170 lb male.

During 2004 at age 50, I developed an extremely painful left shoulder which eventally refused to allow my hand to move above the horizon line, or reach back for my wallet.

After reading that 30% of cases of frozen shoulder occur in diabetics, I asked my doc if O had frozen shoulder and if a glucose tolerance test was indicated. He refused. So I had one done myself. 180 mg/dl at 2hr, which is diagnostic for impaired glucose tolerance. I fired my doc.

Now that my frozen shoulder has resolved, and my diet and exercise have been adjusted, I'm normoglycemic again. In fact biomarkers for inflammation and lipids are all well within normal range now.

There's your evidence, Mr Gracey!

Posted at 9:46PM on Apr 12th 2007 by Steve

4. Cinnamon is both a Spice and an Herb.

Posted at 10:09PM on Apr 12th 2007 by BetterCell

5. Hi Steve,

In respect of your post #3...

American Diabetes Association(ADA) have OPINIONS that become the beliefs of many People and the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation(JDRF) have OPINIONS that become the beliefs of many People.

An opinion that ANYdrugTREATED is better than UNdrugTREATED should provide evidence before it becomes the belief of many People.

For example ... please note the recent 'stem cell breakthrough' OPINION apparently believed [and certainly broadcast] by many media companies around the world...
http://www.thediabetesblog.com/2007/04/11/a-knockout-cure-for-diabetes/

Your opinion is an opinion.

Warm thanks; Nick

Posted at 1:04PM on Apr 13th 2007 by Nicholas Dynes Gracey

6. Cinnamon has just in the Latest Study, been found to be ineffective for Diabetes. Here is the abstract from DiabetesCare:

Diabetes Care 30:813-816, 2007
DOI: 10.2337/dc06-1871
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The Effect of Cinnamon on A1C Among Adolescents With Type 1 Diabetes

Justin A. Altschuler, BA1, Samuel J. Casella, MD2, Todd A. MacKenzie, PHD3 and Kevin M. Curtis, MD4
1 Department of Biological Sciences, Dartmouth College, Hanover, New Hampshire
2 Department of Pediatric Endocrinology, Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center, Lebanon, New Hampshire
3 Department of General Internal Medicine, Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center, Lebanon, New Hampshire
4 Department of Emergency Medicine, Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center, Lebanon, New Hampshire

Address correspondence and reprint requests to Kevin M. Curtis, MD, Assistant Professor of Medicine, Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center, Section of Emergency Medicine, 1 Medical Center Dr., Lebanon, NH 03756. E-mail: kevin.m.curtis@hitchcock.org

OBJECTIVE—The purpose of this study was to determine the effect of cinnamon on glycemic control in adolescents with type 1 diabetes.

RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS—Using a prospective, double-blind, placebo-controlled design, 72 adolescent type 1 diabetic subjects were treated in an outpatient setting with cinnamon (1 g/day) or an equivalent-appearing placebo for 90 days. A1C, total daily insulin intake, and adverse events were recorded and compared between groups.

RESULTS—There were no significant differences in final A1C (8.8 vs. 8.7, P = 0.88), change in A1C (0.3 vs. 0.0, P = 0.13), total daily insulin intake, or number of hypoglycemic episodes between the cinnamon and placebo arms.

CONCLUSIONS—Cinnamon is not effective for improving glycemic control in adolescents with type 1 diabetes.


Abbreviations: DHMC, Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center

Posted at 10:26PM on Apr 13th 2007 by BetterCell

7. Mr Gracey: My response was not about cinnamon, it was about your question: "Where is the evidence that any bs level of an UNdrugTREATED type 0 Diabetic is other than healthy?"

Facts in the form of test results aren't opinions. I was an untreated "Type 0" by medical standards. The evidence is clear: The ADA and other organizations advise physicians that FBG is the best indicator for the detection of diabetes and prediabetic conditions, despite evidence that detectable -- AND PERHAPS CORRECTABLE -- damage is occurring much earlier in the disease arc.

My own test results confirmed the evidence, both of IGT and the reversal of its effects once appropriate changes in diet and ecercise were taken. For you to suggest otherwise ignores the facts.

Regards,
Steve

Posted at 9:13PM on Apr 15th 2007 by Steve